Curse

HayesA · Feb 26, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

No factions here, simply because I started Phrop late, and almost directly after i beat it, Nighfall came out. Then my guild was all like "don't get factions, get nightfall instead!!" so i did. Tho i really want a number of factions skills.

The Herbalizer · Feb 26, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by bart

i did not buy Nightfall because of WoW. Also because of what Herb said.

oo yeah that was another reason. i bought wow and wow tbc and a load of pre paid cards and accidently paid for a load of months worth of subscription on my debit card >.<

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I'm not quite following Herbalizer's arguments here.

I may not be a longtime player, but it would seem that GW does not have any problems with duping and similar, and I haven't heard of any case where GW would remove existing items from the game or similar. After all, there are still unconditional damage bonuses still in the game.

So how exactly is Anet supposed to have destroyed any ultra-rare items or anything?

The rest of his complaints, like farming and similar I can understand (not agree with, though, I favour low price markets where things are generally accessible to all players over having a huge profit when you get a good drop).

*Anet added +5 Energy Weapons destroying the value of the HOD Sword.
*Anet altered the +55 HP / HOD Axe
*Anet altered the HOD Bow
*Anet altered the 15% Recharge FFS
*Anet changed the max health "While in Stance" for shields from +30HP to +45HP
*Anet changed the max health "While Hexed" for shields from +45HP to +60HP
*Anet changed the max armor inherent mod for shields from +8AL to +10AL
*Anet changed max dmg reduction on shields from -3 dmg 10% to -5 20%
*Destroyed value of 10/10 staffs due to 20% universal recharge on them
*Altered 20% Rockmolder
*Added +5 energy tyrian weapons destroying value of original +5 energy tyrian items

*15% FFS which went from being like a 300-500 ecto item to being a 0 ecto item.
*HOD Axe went from being a 1-2 million gold axe to like nothing.
*Rockmolder went from being a 80-100k ish item to 0k.
*HOD Bow from being a 1 million + item to nothing.
*+5 energy tyrian weapons went from 1 mil + to like barely anything.

nice little pic courtesy of capitalist: -

I spent months and months and months tracking down a +45hex-3hex r8 tall shield and literally like two days later they made tons drop with +60hp. Not just wasting gold but also peoples time.

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Originally Posted by DvM

I got about the same complaints as herb, except for the fact of destroying item value, heck, you made an investment, turned out to be bad, live with it.

I could understand if the items lost value due to less demand for the items from players. If you take the example of the 10/10 staffs and Anet adding 20% universal recharge. There is no way in hell I could ever have seen that coming. I fully accept items losing value due to less demand which would be a reasonable thing to happen but Anet altering items which have been that way for well over a year is really really unfair. Same goes with what they did with the HOD weapons and 15% FFS. They altered them to "balance the game." Well there was like no HOD Bows, a couple of HOD Axes and a few 15% FFS. They destroyed any value they had yet did not touch Unconditional Weapons. Very few were used in pvp and most were owned by item collectors. Virtually every rare item collector has left guild wars now, there is literally a couple at most who still play which just shows how Anet have managed to drive away a certain section of their playerbase. There are waaay more unconditional weapons that 15%ffs, hod bow or hod axe. Random nerfing policies ftl. Anet dont have any consistency in what they do.

They have banned loads of my friends accounts when they were innocent. Then after weeks of protesting they unban them and admit they made a mistake. Im amazed they can ban innocent people yet for example let the "crystalline sword scammer" operate for months even after tons of people reporting him. Gaile even said she checked up with the people who deal with reporting and banning and she said noone had ever reported him. Well, after him managing to scam tens of millions of gold and an outcry from hundreds of people i think at least one would have reported him. Anet and this obvious lying also angers me. (please dont say i am flaming anet or gaile as given time i can provide the thread where gaile said no reports occured which was in riverside section of gwg and all the info on the scammer can be found in the ventaris sell section. Hundreds of people got banned here for posting the scammers name and many reported him and yet gaile claims no reports happened....)

Pakana · Feb 26, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I didn't buy Nightfall, because I got bored out of my wits playing Factions. Here are the reasons why I grew so bored:

1) There is endlessly similar enemies in Factions, like for example in Kaineng. It makes me nuts running the same corridor 20th time fighting all the same Am Fah and Jade Brotherhood groups all over again
2) There is nothing new when you enter a new outpost or a city. Same traders, just about the same items. Seen it SO many times already. Getting to a new city/outpost is just getting forwards in the game. They offer nothing.
3) There is no end game areas in Factions. Well, Aspenwood might be one, but it's ruined by AFK-leechers/bots.
4) Most of the game areas have been long deserted by players. I see more people in Prophesies than in Factions, even though Prophesies is older. I feared same would happen to Nightfall.
5) Nothing really changed from Prophesies to Factions. Just the seneries and music. There are some good sceneries and I like the oriental theme... but that's not enough. The game world is just as paper thin as in Prophesies. It's all about fighting. I don't play much PvP and the PvE world is really static and dull.

I played 3 characters through Factions. Already second was very boring, and 3rd character was real pain. I have 4th character half way Factions, but I doubt she will ever make to the end.

Iuris · Feb 27, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Oh, I see, Herbalizer.

Sorry, but you get no sympathy from me. Not at all. "went from a million plus to nothing" is the best example. It's all about the rewards. Never mind that only the richest got the good gear before, leaving newbies to suffer, the old guys got hit where it hurts - right in their wallets.

If you play the game just for the rewards, if you NEED to be rich to have fun, I'll not be sorry to see you go.

The Herbalizer · Feb 27, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Oh, I see, Herbalizer.

Sorry, but you get no sympathy from me. Not at all. "went from a million plus to nothing" is the best example. It's all about the rewards. Never mind that only the richest got the good gear before, leaving newbies to suffer, the old guys got hit where it hurts - right in their wallets.
If you play the game just for the rewards, if you NEED to be rich to have fun, I'll not be sorry to see you go.

Firstly I dont know who you are so I dont care about your dislike towards me.

Secondly that million to nothing comment if about me going from rich to poor. Um, last time I check I still have more millions than most can ever dream of owning....

Thirdly newbs getting rediculously rare items

I fail to see how people who are newbs and dont have a clue about GW think they should get showered in ultra rare stuff

You really have no clue what you are talking about. When people were buying up no negs for 50k ish in some cases I fail to see how only the rich could obtain them

Actually I know of dozens of rare items worth hundreds of ecto picked up for under 100k. So yeah, please at least know what you are talking about before ranting.

Fourthly what the hell is wrong with being an old player. Just because making gold was easy back then doesnt mean you should attack me.

Fifthly I havnt quit. Actually I am playing alot now. Dozens of people were pleased I was playing again.

You wont be sad to see me go? Great, the more people who hate me the better imo. I love abit of controversy.

Clearly you hate the rich? Why please explain? Haves and have nots? Jealousy?

Whats wrong with enjoying collecting rare items? Whats wrong with being rich?

Abnaxus · Feb 27, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

*Anet added +5 Energy Weapons destroying the value of the HOD Sword

Hey Herb, tell the whole story.

HoD sword was a worthless item, available to all ppl from HoD crafter for 1k, and only 55hp farmers bought and used it. It used to have NO value at all.

Then one day, for some strange unexplained reason (maybe in a wrong attempt to stop farming) A.net removed this valueless item, and it suddenly became the most sought after in game.
So the value changed from ZERO to 500k+ not because the item was uber and overpowered, but because there wasn't an equivalent one.

It was a decision of A.net that gave value to a worthless item, not that the item had a value in itself. Another decision gave back HoD sword it's correct value, that is ZERO (or not totally zero, but just in consideration that it can be something no longer available to collect).

If you think that A.net destroyed the game for reasons like this, sorry but this is a very limited point of view. Yeah yeah, the whole game is centered around the value of HoD sword and similar crap, yeah yeah ... LOL

Antheus · Feb 27, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Thirdly newbs getting rediculously rare items I fail to see how people who are newbs and dont have a clue about GW think they should get showered in ultra rare stuff You really have no clue what you are talking about. When people were buying up no negs for 50k ish in some cases I fail to see how only the rich could obtain them Actually I know of dozens of rare items worth hundreds of ecto picked up for under 100k. So yeah, please at least know what you are talking about before ranting.

I wouldn't pay 5k for those items. Because for 5k I can craft identical weapon from crafter or make one from mods.

I always had fun looting rare stuff. Req. 9 gloom shields for example when DoA opened. I'd just run back into town and sell them for absurd ammounts, wondering why would someont pay 50-80k for them (yea, they were worth 100k + 20e then).

Then again, all items that exist or have ever existed in GW are worthless to me. And if I do run across a rare one, I sell it at 1/2 or 1/3 price. I don't care.

In this respect, I'm richer than most. I can afford anything I want. Anything. Of course, each of the items I'd buy is either worth 1-5k, or doesn't interest me in the first place.

Here's the great thing about GW. Items don't matter. Items are worthless. No grinding, no farming, no eBaying, just play the game a bit, and you have the best gear possible.

So, I don't have crystaline 15^50. Should that mean something to me? I have a long-sword, 15^50. Where exactly does the 500 ecto price difference come in? They have exactly the same stats. And if I ever looted something like that, I'd sell in asap. If people want to pay that much for worthless items, who am I to argue. But I have no use for such items.

You know, vanity is a sin. That's sums up GW best.

Iuris · Feb 27, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

I'm not attacking you. I only said that I accept your decision, not to quit the game, true, but not to continue it through the expansions, so in essence, it is a decision to "stop" - stop progressing through the game world.

I may not have played GW from the very start, but I can read forums and cersion change notes, and I can get the feel of what is going on. In this context, I often find arguments similar to those you offered as an explanation of why you refuse to buy expansions offered by the "old guys" reminescing about the good old days when the prices were high and when you couldn't buy everything from traders.

And I simply don't agree with the reasoning. I particularly like GW because it quickly reaches the maximum. The gear needed to make the most of your character is accessible to all, even casual players. I'm all for crystalline swords going for millions, as long as the regular max sword is fully accessible to the casual player. And part of this is being able to have an accessible sword with a 15over50 mod, or +5 energy, as an incription, or being able to buy a rune from a trader at an acceptable price. And these options are half of what you cited - the previously rare mods losing their (often quite extreme) value. Not just for me (and my heroes), but for everyone. I still remember how grateful I was to a guy who gave my newborn warrior an 31 max damage purple hammer when I started out, since starting out is tough, and I want starting out to be reasonable. I don't want GW to become a new Diablo II, and I'm watching this Hard mode with a lot of unease.

Logically, I'm therefore not thrilled by people reminiscing about how an item used to be very expensive because of its function, since that function has become accessible to all. In my opinion, the economic consequences of Anet's changes have been a significant inprovement of the game.

Doesn't mean I hate the rich. Good for you if you have milions. Me, I'm really happy when I get enough money to fully equip another set of heroes and buy another set of elite armor. But if the reason you won't play more of the game is what you stated, well, I can't sympathize. The changes you cite as reasons against I see as reasons for!

P.S.:
I posted prematurely, but have in the mean time read up on the HoD Sword. Fits extremely well with my reasons, doesn't it? Glory to Tahwaj Zing!

kolakoski · Feb 27, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Well met!

The reasons I was drawn to Guild Wars in the first place were no monthly fee, the desire to play with other people, and the lack of "grind". I wanted my character, Wo Tan Ki, Ranger, to, and he did, become a classic Samurai, unenamored by the superficial, and devoid of greed, envy, hubris, etc. He is a loyal member of a great guild. He has and continues to spend most of his money on skills and Signets of Capture. He has fought (not been run) all the way through Prophecies to Hell's Precipice, most of Cantha, and quite a bit of Elona. He has a few nice weapons, Drok's Druid armor (dyed brown for a classy, subtle appearance lol), and needs nothing else but boon companions, of which there are plenty to be found across the length and breadth of the Three Realms (in spite of what many have said in these and other forums). He realizes that the first step towards wisdom is to admit to knowing nothing. He is respectful to all and patient and kind to the inexperienced. It has been said that it is more difficult to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It has also been said that Heaven, rather than being some etherial place one goes to after death, is a state of being here on the corporal plane. Wo Tan Ki is in Heaven.

Wo Tan Ki, Ranger, Knights of Shadowpeak (KoS)